What do you do when someone on your team is struggling — and it’s on you to say something? In this episode of the Inside EMS podcast, Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson dive headfirst into one of leadership’s toughest challenges: holding people accountable without losing your humanity.
This episode challenges leaders to ditch outdated progressive discipline models and start leading with clarity and empathy. Whether you’re a seasoned supervisor or new to the hot seat, this one hits home. And if you’ve been avoiding a conversation, consider this your nudge to stop choosing comfort over your own integrity.
Quotable takeaways
- “Firing people with compassion, managing your ego, their ego, admitting mistakes and just being human — these are the places where real leaders show up.”
- “One of the things I try to teach is that I don’t fire anybody — I just process the paperwork. People fire themselves.”
- “EMS is a very egotistical business, and it’s that ego that keeps us from asking questions. Because we don’t want to look like we don’t know what we’re talking about in front of our peers.”
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