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Getting to the black with David Fifer

EMS educator proposes a system that includes recognition for certified and degreed paramedics alike to overcome staffing crisis


James DiClemente, from Prodigy EMS, speaks with EMS educator David Fifer at the NAEMSE Annual Symposium.

Courtesy/Ginger Locke

How do we find our way out of this? Initial education, recruitment and retention in EMS are all in crisis. In this keynote lecture from the 2022 National Association of EMS Educators’ Annual Symposium, paramedic and EMS educator, David Fifer proposes a system that includes recognition for certified and degreed paramedics alike.

Days before delivering this keynote talk, David was working with a crew to hoist people out of disastrous flooding in Kentucky. He called on those in attendance to offer financial support through this site if possible.

This episode was made possible through the collaboration of some of the best in EMS education: Prodigy EMS, NAEMSE and EKU’s David Fifer.


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The Medic Mindset podcast is created and hosted by Ginger Locke, BA, NRP. As an associate professor of EMS Professions at Austin (TX) Community College, she has immersed herself in the art and science of how medics think and perform. In interviews with medics and subject-matter experts, she thoughtfully explores the inner-workings of the minds of medics. Prior to becoming a paramedic, she studied social psychology at the University of Georgia and the University of Leicester, UK. Her professional endeavors revolve around the conviction that the most important and complicated tool in EMS in the brain of the medic.