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Calif. girl, 10, dies after school fight

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February 28, 2012

Calif. girl, 10, dies after school fight

Medical experts said a blow in just the right spot can often prove fatal

The Associated Press

LONG BEACH, Calif. — Ten-year-old Joanna Ramos died from blunt force trauma after emergency surgery for a blood clot on her brain, investigators and family members said.

As far as police can tell, the blow did not come from a weapon, or a wall, or a windshield, but only the fists of another young girl whom she fought hours earlier.

While the specific circumstances of Joanna's death are especially tragic and extremely unusual, medical experts said a blow in just the right spot can often prove fatal.

"This is rare, in that I've never seen it in a female, certainly not in a female adolescent," said Dr. Keith Black, a neurosurgeon at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.

Black, who was not involved in Joanna's medical care, sees such injuries all the time among older patients and said a blow to the head from one young girl to another could "absolutely" be sufficient to cause enough trauma to lead to death.

Punches to the head can often lead to delayed bleeding if a vein is torn, and that can lead to a clot when blood collects on the surface of the brain.

Coroner's Lt. Fred Corral said Ramos died of blunt force trauma to the head and said her death has been ruled a homicide, but he didn't immediately have further details about her injuries.

The finding rattled the already shaken school community at Willard Elementary, where Joanna attended the fifth grade. She died Friday, about six hours after a brief fight with another girl in an alley near the school in a working-class neighborhood in the port city of Long Beach.

Joanna, who would have turned 11 on March 12, was unconscious by the time she arrived at the emergency room and underwent emergency surgery for a blood clot on her brain late Friday after she began vomiting and complained of a headache, her older sister, 17-year-old Vanessa Urbina, told The Associated Press.

"After surgery the doctor said she was still alive, and then a few minutes later he comes back and tells us that her heart stopped and they couldn't bring her back," Urbina said, crying as she sat on the steps of the school near a memorial of flowers and balloons.

Police said they have made no arrests and were conducting an investigation that will be presented to prosecutors when it's completed.

Worried parents lingered as they dropped off their children Monday in a light rain and wondered aloud how the school, tucked a few blocks off a major city street, could have become the scene of such unexpected violence.

"I'm just so confused at this moment, thinking should I take my daughter out of this school," said Victoria Pyles, whose daughter started classes at the school last week. "If this is what is going on, I don't like it. It's very scary."

School officials believe the fight occurred near the school in a 15-minute window between the time school let out and the start of Joanna's after-school program at 2:30 p.m., said Chris Eftychiou, a spokesman for the Long Beach Unified School District.

Joanna didn't have any visible injuries or show any signs of distress for about an hour, but she eventually told staff she felt unwell and was picked up by a relative, he said.

Urbina, the older sister, said Joanna's cousin picked her up. After her mother retrieved her, Joanna vomited in the car all the way home and told her mother she felt sleepy and wanted to go to bed.

Symptoms — such as headache, nausea, lethargy — may not set in for hours and people can mistakenly think that they're fine, Black said.

Typically, he said, the hit to the head would have to be fairly significant to cause a blood clot and often involves the head hitting walls or the ground, but a punch is enough.

"You can certainly get enough of an impact to get enough movement in the brain by a fist to tear a vein, if it's in the right location," Black said.

Police have said the fight lasted less than a minute, did not involve weapons, and no one was knocked to the ground.

A friend of Joanna's saw her as she reported to the after-school program after the fight and said she had blood on her knuckles from wiping at a bloody nose, said Cristina Perez, the friend's mother.

Perez said her daughter, who is 10, heard about plans for the fight, apparently over a boy, during recess earlier in the day and knew to stay away from the alley after school.

Fights involving young children, including girls, are increasing nationally, in part because of the wired world children now live in, said Travis Brown, a national expert on bullying and school violence.

Children used to have a disagreement at school and would have a night or a weekend to cool down, but social media and text messaging mean students can continue their dispute 24 hours a day, he said.

"There was a time when a kid had a way to escape the things at school, but now there's no escape," Brown said. "That stuff just escalates to a point where it gets out of hand. This is an everyday occurrence."

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William Krasinski William Krasinski Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:57:08 PM Wtf. This is so sad :(
Teresa Hitchcock Teresa Hitchcock Tue Feb 28 16:21:44 PST 2012 How terrible! Obviously it's not ok that these girls were in a fight but the reality is scuffles do happen. I just can't believe at their age it would be possible to be this tragic. One child lost and another being held accountable for murder. So very sad....
Larry Fox Larry Fox Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:05:34 PM Ahhh...what's the big deal when kids fight? Oh, nevermind!
Brian Fox Brian Fox Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:10:21 PM charger the girl with involuntary manslaughter
Holly Farrell Holly Farrell Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:41:53 PM SO SAD!
Nashira Franco Nashira Franco Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:53:07 PM My uncle Eric was a bully and picked fights cause he was poor and made fun of. One day He picked a fight with a whimpy kid who had one good hit in the temple killed him on the spot. Children need to learn that fighting is not the solve all. She will live with this her whole life I belive counciling is a better udea. She didn't ho with the intent to kill anyone. Don't ruin her life.
Sharon Springer Sharon Springer Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:39:58 PM Really! Do you really think charging a 10 year old with involuntary manslaughter is the answer? What is the childs background, does she have a past of fighting? If not, don't you think that this child is going to have enough to deal with in the future?
Celeste Dahl Celeste Dahl Tue Feb 28 19:34:51 PST 2012 Sharon, when I read the article, I didn't see any charges pending. But it is TOTALLY possiible to die of blunt tramua to the head with in hours..... Terribly sad.... But I have to admit, I got called out on a ocuple fights back in the day (High school) and fortunately I had kick ass girlfriends who backed me up..... A very sad story for all involved. Really? At 10 years old fighting over a stupid boy? What is this world coming to???
Mel Maguire Mel Maguire Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:03:49 PM First thought: it doesn't matter how hard you try, a 10-year-old kid is not going to understand how dangerous it can be to get into a fight (hell, you'd be hard-pressed to make a grown woman understand that). Second thought: the fight was planned. Kids don't know how to shut up about these things. They brag to everyone, and I have no trouble believing that a teacher heard about it. Final thought: the offending kid's parents are probably going to make excuses and the kid won't be punished for what she's done. Unfortunately, this kid is going to have issues for the rest of her life.
AfroCity Brown AfroCity Brown Wed Feb 29 13:05:38 PST 2012 This story was very sad. Men are not worth this at any age.

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